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Omega Flames
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Posted - 2013.09.08 18:07:00 -
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IMO anytime a -5 or below can fly around highsec in a ship and not get killed is a broken mechanic. (and yes they are in fact not getting killed when they can warp from stations/gates in anything other than a near instawarp ship) -10 has always been a can't survive in highsec status, and if you can survive long enough to suicide gank then you are surviving way too long already if you're already -10
<Munnkeh> i'm gonna use that excuse if i ever kill someone. "look, if you keep meeting ppl, it's bound to happen eventually"
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Omega Flames
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Posted - 2013.09.08 21:41:00 -
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Elizabeth Aideron wrote:Omega Flames wrote:IMO anytime a -5 or below can fly around highsec in a ship and not get killed is a broken mechanic. (and yes they are in fact not getting killed when they can warp from stations/gates in anything other than a near instawarp ship) -10 has always been a can't survive in highsec status, and if you can survive long enough to suicide gank then you are surviving way too long already if you're already -10 So shoot them instead of whining.
funny i seem to be missing where I whined at, dumbass. And it aint my job to go around doing concord's job.
<Munnkeh> i'm gonna use that excuse if i ever kill someone. "look, if you keep meeting ppl, it's bound to happen eventually"
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Omega Flames
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Posted - 2013.09.09 13:05:00 -
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Cause exhumers are the only measure of suicide ganks right?
<Munnkeh> i'm gonna use that excuse if i ever kill someone. "look, if you keep meeting ppl, it's bound to happen eventually"
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Omega Flames
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Posted - 2013.09.09 13:21:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Cade Windstalker wrote:Doris Dents wrote:It has never been Concords job to preemptively defend those that choose not to defend themselves. Suicide ganking has been nerfed into the ground and is at historically low levels according to CCP but still bears demand more nerfs. When exactly will you be satisfied? Got a source for "at historically low levels"? Because I don't quite think I believe that... Got a source for your disbelief? Nevertheless my recollection matches Cade's. IIRC the numbers were mentioned a few months ago. My impression from CCP is that they think they might have over-nerfed suicide ganking.
ohhhh looky here a source
http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/wanttotrade-tags-for-security-status/
1st graph has ship value destroyed in pvp going up in high
3rd graph has chars recieving sec status penalties going up in high
hmmmm that seems to tell me that suicide gankings are going up, what does it tell you? how exactly is suicide ganking "nerfed into the ground" when it's on the rise?
In regards to Doris, indy ships when fitted to haul are simply not defendable against someone who wants to suicide gank them, which btw I'm fine with that. What I'm not fine with is those who are supposed to not be able to operate in highsec very well operating in highsec pretty darn well afterall. THAT is a broken mechanic, people who are below -5 should not be able to go around suicide ganking in high like it's nothing.
<Munnkeh> i'm gonna use that excuse if i ever kill someone. "look, if you keep meeting ppl, it's bound to happen eventually"
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Omega Flames
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Posted - 2013.09.09 17:24:00 -
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Doris Dents wrote:That graph doesn't go back far enough to show the major nerfs to suicide ganking, like Crucible removing insurance for ganks. Even so highsec security hits look pretty flat and very low to me, especially compared to lowsec activity. This against a backdrop of numbers online only growing.
That's about a 25-50% increase in sec status hits on the highsec line starting in Dec of 2012, it seems flat only because it's being compared to the much higher low sec sec status hit line. also http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/3288 has stats for 2008-2011. It's hard to directly compare the 2 because the 1st graph (9-2012 to 4-2013) has alot of slopes instead of exact data points like the 2nd one (2008-2011) does but it does seem at the least to be very similar in numbers, certainly enough to prove that suicide ganks have by no means gone down very much if they even went down.
<Munnkeh> i'm gonna use that excuse if i ever kill someone. "look, if you keep meeting ppl, it's bound to happen eventually"
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Omega Flames
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Posted - 2013.09.09 23:57:00 -
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Cade Windstalker wrote:Omega Flames wrote:ohhhh looky here a source http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/wanttotrade-tags-for-security-status/1st graph has ship value destroyed in pvp going up in high 3rd graph has chars recieving sec status penalties going up in high hmmmm that seems to tell me that suicide gankings are going up, what does it tell you? how exactly is suicide ganking "nerfed into the ground" when it's on the rise? In regards to Doris, indy ships when fitted to haul are simply not defendable against someone who wants to suicide gank them, which btw I'm fine with that. What I'm not fine with is those who are supposed to not be able to operate in highsec very well operating in highsec pretty darn well afterall. THAT is a broken mechanic, people who are below -5 should not be able to go around suicide ganking in high like it's nothing. Also not necessarily a good measure of suicide ganking since it covers all PvP kills, not just suicide ganks. The spike could be due to the tag changes but it could also be a result of high sec wars or any number of other things. Plus overall the PvP kills for the three regions are increasing together with Low-Sec showing the greatest deviation at the time of the tag changes.
The 3rd graph is what you need to be looking at, sec status hits in highsec are going to almost purely be suicide ganks.
<Munnkeh> i'm gonna use that excuse if i ever kill someone. "look, if you keep meeting ppl, it's bound to happen eventually"
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Omega Flames
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Posted - 2013.09.10 00:22:00 -
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Cade Windstalker wrote:Omega Flames wrote:The 3rd graph is what you need to be looking at, sec status hits in highsec are going to almost purely be suicide ganks. Yes, but while there's definitely an increase it's a fairly small one, especially compared to the low-sec increases, and seems to be trending back downwards there at the end which is significant given the spike in hulls destroyed on the first graph for the same time period.
It's a 25-50% increase for the highsec sec status hits...that aint small by no means. And you cant compare lowsec and highsec sec status hits when you are talking about suicide ganks since there are no suicide gankings in lowsec :/ 90% or more of all pvp in lowsec generates sec status hits, only suicide ganks generate them in high ergo not comparable.
<Munnkeh> i'm gonna use that excuse if i ever kill someone. "look, if you keep meeting ppl, it's bound to happen eventually"
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Omega Flames
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Posted - 2013.09.10 03:02:00 -
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Attack bc's made it easier to gank freighters and bs's. Indy's and exhumers are already gankable easily enough with destroyers. You are very correct that it's more expensive to gank...but the current evidence says ganking is on the rise not fall. You must understand it's not just for profit that people gank it's also to increase their kb stats and for the lol's (hulkageddon, ice interdiction, and the permageddon that arose out of the ice interdiction's ashes...about the only successful part of the ice interdiction). Going around ganking expensive ships is normally a pure win for your kb because the loss to concord will only show up ONLY if the ganked person had drones out, and let's face it when viewing kb stats no one really digs very deep into the kills to see that they are suicide ganks and if the person was even breaking even on the ganks esp if the ganks are more than 5-10 kills deep in the list.
<Munnkeh> i'm gonna use that excuse if i ever kill someone. "look, if you keep meeting ppl, it's bound to happen eventually"
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Omega Flames
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Posted - 2013.09.10 03:09:00 -
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Oliver Stoned wrote:Let the -10 or lower fly in the systems, the consequences of negative standings imply a consent for fines to use empire gates, docking and a market tax on top of Concord and the local navy after them.
The more negative security status + higher security system = greater fines.
Especially since they can easy fix their security status with tags4sec option.
Concord should pod them.
fines dont really work thou. the -10 might become stuck in high cause he doesnt have the isk to pay to get to lowsec and would be a very imbalanced approach. And yes fixing sec status has always been super easy. But with -10's able to continue suicide ganking with such little restriction they DONT NEED to fix sec status.
<Munnkeh> i'm gonna use that excuse if i ever kill someone. "look, if you keep meeting ppl, it's bound to happen eventually"
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Omega Flames
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Posted - 2013.10.02 16:03:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:Why punish me, because of how others play as outlaws?
I don't rely on alts and i am in space all day,
bouncing around bookmarks,
for everybody to be seen and shot at.
Not only that, i keep kicking the asses of those who believe i can't fight back,
much to the amusement of the residents of Hek.
Now i'll read the rest of what is probably a huge trainwreck...
you're also full of ****. No one is going to continuosly bounce around all day long as you claim. The tediousness of constantly making sure you're in warp so concord doesn't kill you is far too much for anyone to actually do. Which means you are using an alt to find someone to kill just like everyone else.
<Munnkeh> i'm gonna use that excuse if i ever kill someone. "look, if you keep meeting ppl, it's bound to happen eventually"
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Omega Flames
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Posted - 2013.10.02 19:20:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:Omega Flames wrote:Solstice Project wrote:Why punish me, because of how others play as outlaws?
I don't rely on alts and i am in space all day,
bouncing around bookmarks,
for everybody to be seen and shot at.
Not only that, i keep kicking the asses of those who believe i can't fight back,
much to the amusement of the residents of Hek.
Now i'll read the rest of what is probably a huge trainwreck...
you're also full of ****. No one is going to continuosly bounce around all day long as you claim. The tediousness of constantly making sure you're in warp so concord doesn't kill you is far too much for anyone to actually do. Which means you are using an alt to find someone to kill just like everyone else. Thank you for displaying that you have absolutely no clue about this. CONCORD doesn't give a rats ass about security status. If you don't believe me, feel free to come to Hek and get your candy ass kicked. :)
concord...empire police forces...same ******* thing, they both warp to where you're at and kill you if you aren't in warp for too long
@benny...the reason they use orca's iirc is because concord takes up to 30 secs to actually show up so if they simply warp to where ever the next victim is then they get that time to attack someone BEFORE concord arrives.
<Munnkeh> i'm gonna use that excuse if i ever kill someone. "look, if you keep meeting ppl, it's bound to happen eventually"
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Omega Flames
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Posted - 2013.10.02 19:34:00 -
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then have the orca and gc pilot's in their pods to warp to the victim and then get the ships out of the orca...no warp req'd when in a ship then for the gc'd pilots...either way outlaw pilots shouldn't be able to do all that stuff in highsec.
<Munnkeh> i'm gonna use that excuse if i ever kill someone. "look, if you keep meeting ppl, it's bound to happen eventually"
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Omega Flames
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Posted - 2013.10.02 19:44:00 -
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damn it's so hot here that my tears dried up before i even knew i was crying....either that or i wasn't crying to begin with
<Munnkeh> i'm gonna use that excuse if i ever kill someone. "look, if you keep meeting ppl, it's bound to happen eventually"
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Omega Flames
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Posted - 2013.10.02 21:26:00 -
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Are you trolling or are you really expecting anyone to read 2 walls of text esp when the first 2 paragraphs can be summed up as "im right, you're wrong". retype it into something actually worth reading.
<Munnkeh> i'm gonna use that excuse if i ever kill someone. "look, if you keep meeting ppl, it's bound to happen eventually"
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Omega Flames
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Posted - 2013.10.03 20:18:00 -
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Solstice Project's Alt wrote:Omega Flames wrote:Are you trolling or are you really expecting anyone to read 2 walls of text esp when the first 2 paragraphs can be summed up as "im right, you're wrong". retype it into something actually worth reading. You really are one big bag of stupid. Your cluelessness goes beyond what i can take and so i'll simply block you. Also ... try reading books. That's even harder.
i've been blocked? nooooo. actually i spent most of grade school reading books as i didnt own a computer back then to go muck around on but when i read i book i do it to be entertained or enlightened and after reading those first 2 paragraphs i got tired of wadding throu your BS. "Some books are to be tasted, others to be swallowed, and some few to be chewed and digested"....your's was making me puke. If it was entertaining or enlightening then I would have read it, but it was neither and only the author of it is to blame.
<Munnkeh> i'm gonna use that excuse if i ever kill someone. "look, if you keep meeting ppl, it's bound to happen eventually"
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